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Post by naedra on Sept 20, 2020 13:26:49 GMT
I just wanted to say that for 3 years at some point during the day I will think “Martin and Lewis broke up”. This then leads to the rabbit hole of whys and a general omg feeling. Now mind you, I have a life. There are kids, a husband, dogs, my job, and now a plague to deal with, but still the Martin and Lewis breakup finds a way to raise its head above the fray. I think I need virtual therapy, but then the therapist would have no idea what I’m talking about. : )
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Post by Jessica on Sept 20, 2020 19:16:15 GMT
You're not the only one. It crosses my mind too at times, and that neither of them are here anymore. That's when I remind myself of how much they really loved each other and how much they accomplished both as a team and individual entertainers.
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Post by denise on Sept 21, 2020 9:58:16 GMT
Count me in, I ponder this too, although not necessarily daily. It puzzled them too, as we can see by Jerry's remark when he surprised Dean onstage for his 72nd birthday. Jerry: "Why we broke up, I'll never know." Dean: "Me either."
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Post by Jessica on Sept 21, 2020 14:19:54 GMT
I think they were just burned out which resulted in them taking it out on each other. It was too much for them to deal with at the time and probably lots of pressure.
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Post by anarchistemma on Sept 21, 2020 14:31:50 GMT
i can’t tell you the hours of thought, and heavy heart i have had thinking about it. and considering how long ago it was, it’s pretty ridiculous. (!) if they had remained close friends, it wouldn’t be so painful but seeing the lingering hurt....so much so that decades after people were still asking them about it, writing about it, thinking about it.
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Post by denise on Sept 26, 2020 10:25:58 GMT
Oh heavens, there were many reasons, and each reason had sub-reasons.... It was no single issue, rather a myriad of things, I suppose much of it simmering below the surface for a long time, but some more recent. Also reasons within each man's personality and background. You could write a book on it and never really cover it all. On the one hand sad, but on the other hand it gave them both the chance to develop into the entertainers they became. Would we have had The Bellboy, The Nutty Professor or Wiseguy otherwise? Or The Young Lions, Rio Bravo and all those wonderful recordings?
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Post by audi on Sept 26, 2020 21:33:45 GMT
All you have to do is watch their last television appearance on The Today Show in 1956. They were clearly sick and tired of each other, and Jerry wasn't as good at hiding it as Dean was. Jerry behaved over-the-top, practically provoking an on-air clash via his heavy-handed physical contact -- in the guise of comedy.
Dean didn't even stay for the conclusion of the show. He'd had enough.
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Post by Classickat on Oct 8, 2020 8:37:05 GMT
That appearance was the day after they broke up, so very bad timing to go on a show. Then their final tv appearance that we discussed on our last roundtable discussion Audi, was the MDA telethon in June, for 21 hrs or so, and they barely looked at each other. I think the telethon was later that week, from the Today Show. Anyway critics and fans complained about their interaction and the telethon as a whole.
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Post by pamelah on Feb 21, 2021 9:01:17 GMT
i can’t tell you the hours of thought, and heavy heart i have had thinking about it. and considering how long ago it was, it’s pretty ridiculous. (!) if they had remained close friends, it wouldn’t be so painful but seeing the lingering hurt....so much so that decades after people were still asking them about it, writing about it, thinking about it. |
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Post by pamelah on Feb 21, 2021 9:16:38 GMT
It is so very sad. You see that chemistry and it’s amazing. I do think both needed to take a break.... and step back And appreciate each other.... jerry wanted to grow as a director, writer and producer. He was studying Chaplin. Dean didn’t like the pathos. He also hated his given roles in the movies. That was a big one.
Work ethic. Jerry was the business mind and writer and deal maker. Dean played golf more and watched westerns. I read Jerry became more controlling, fearing he would lose Dean as his singing career took off. Dean got tired pf being jumped on, bot that is part pf what they did.
Both were told they’d be successful on their own. It is true, bot their success together has unparalleled chemistry.
Does anyone know why they couldn’t just perform a few times a month? I feel that Dean moved on and just was done. Does anyone know?
Jerry speaks a lot about Dean... is it because he felt he did t appreciate him at the tiñe? Or is he more in love woth Dean?
I agree the fact they didn’t have a healthy relationship for decades was painful. If they could have just flipped it 80-20– 80 percent their own careers snd 10-20% Martin and Lewis, we would have berm fine.
Jerry did surprise Dean on his 72 birthday. Dean did say “Jerry I love you snd I mean it. Now let me kiss you on the lips” and he did. Usually Jerry was the kisser. I feel Dean cut him off from
How own heart. He wouldn’t allow himself to feel
So deeply anymore? Bot Jerry was hurt for life. That is what it seemed but would love to hear feedback.
They both were very different emotionally. Jeannie Dean’s wife said she loved Dean but didn’t know him. He didn’t want anyone to know him.
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Post by denise on Feb 21, 2021 15:58:20 GMT
"Does anyone know why they couldn’t just perform a few times a month?"
I can venture a guess. 1) Jerry could not perform with someone he did not like. He was simply incapable of it. And at the end of the partnership, he did not like Dean, he said that in various interviews. He still loved Dean, but he did not like him anymore. And Dean also did not want to perform with Jerry anymore, he had had enough. 2) That said, it put a real physical strain on Jerry, on his heart, to HAVE TO perform with Dean. I believe Jerry wrote in his autobiography that it would have killed him to keep on working with Dean. Even Jerry's physician strongly advised him to end the partnership. 3) Once each struck out on his own new career path, it would have been difficult to match their schedules. And they would not have achieved the same quality of performance as before. Audiences would have noticed that they no longer liked each other and Jerry wanted to avoid that at all costs. It was like Jerry said: they should go out like champs, at the top, and not get knocked through the ropes (like the boxer Joe Louis).
In the end, they had to do what was best for them.
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